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Agency.com posts Subway pitch video online

As part of its bid for Subway’s interactive account, Agency.com says it was asked for a five-minute video of its executive team. Instead, they made this nine-minute video of themselves learning about Subway’s business and posted it to YouTube. They interview people on the street. They say things like, “If we roll, we roll big.” They even work at a local Subway restaurant. (“Nobody got hurt. Nobody got fired. So I think it went pretty well,” says one team member.) Which is all fine, as pitch materials go. But they keep referring to the video as a “viral,” when in fact there’s nothing viral about it. It might be somewhat compelling viewing for Subway executives and/or immediate family members of the agency team, and of passing interest to people in the business. Beyond that, the chances of anyone passing this video around are slim indeed. Can we stop referring to anything that’s posted online as “viral”?

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Comments

Yes - let's.

Subway wanted five minutes and instead they gave them nine? Whoops. Rolling big indeed. Subway might expect them to exceed budget too.

Posted by: Jetpacks | Aug 1, 2006 9:54:28 AM

Viral. I hate that word. Clients are constantly asking for something 'viral' and it's a phrase that only Account Executives seem to use, liberally peppering every paragraph with it.

Viral = Excellent creative. That's all.

As for Agency.com ignoring the client brief, they should be shot. Now that really would be viral.

Posted by: | Aug 1, 2006 10:23:41 AM

Okay, so I watched it and I still can't seem to see what would be viral about this video?

At best it's a business presentation for Agency.com. At worst is indulgent and crass. Or is that the other way around?

What worries me most is that these nine minutes were the 'best' our of the "18 hours of footage" that was shot.

WARNING: You won't get those 9 minutes back. Really not worth watching. It really isn't.

Posted by: | Aug 1, 2006 10:36:25 AM

Not viral in the least. Posting it here on Ad Freak is about as viral as it will get - and then stop dead. I'm certianly not passing this to anyone or suggesting they watch it.

Should've listened to above comment.

Posted by: Yardbird | Aug 1, 2006 11:37:18 AM

I'm sure all their competitors will be relieved to see Agency.com, once the cutting-edge darlings of the dot com era, produce the kind of video that could have easily come out of a small agency in Boise, Idaho five years ago. Maybe next time they could recreate the buzz they had from 1997 rather than the phone conversations they had last week.

Posted by: Jarret | Aug 1, 2006 11:39:10 AM

Agencies have been doing this type of exercise for many years now - to demonstrate how 'deeply' they dive into a clients business. It seems to me they satisfied the brief, and went the extra mile in an attempt to differentiate.

Will it be heavily viewed outside of the groups someone listed above, no. Was that the expectation, I highly doubt it.

You can be sure that, if they win, their creative team knows that to differentiate in the consumer Web environment, they're going to have to do a hell of a lot more than a video about their internal creative development process.

Good luck.

Posted by: pgd | Aug 1, 2006 11:40:02 AM

Okay, let's get this straight once and for all. Just because it is online does not mean it is "viral". Every time I hear someone use that term and others like, "intergrated" and new media opportunties" I am sickened a little more. This business is about IDEAS not delivery devices. Sure, there are new possibilities thanks to the web, but you still need CONCEPTS.

There should be a rule that if you can't explain the concept with a marker and a sheet of paper then you can't use any of the obove phrases. Let's just do some great ads. Get that part right and the "viral" will happen organically – like a virus...

Posted by: Crash | Aug 1, 2006 12:23:54 PM

A bit harsh on some of the above comments. Anyone who has ever had to do one of those pitch videos for new biz, knows that its a painful, awkward process. Its lame to stand in front of the camera, introduce the team and talk about why they are good at what they do. At least Agency.com seems to be having fun and enjoying it. That's gotta count for something.

Posted by: fowlmouth | Aug 1, 2006 12:27:11 PM

Doesn't the fact that you are all talking about it make it viral?

Posted by: InteractiveGuy | Aug 1, 2006 12:30:29 PM

You are all talking about it - so it is VIRAL.

Posted by: addarling | Aug 1, 2006 12:36:07 PM

DID THEY WIN THE BIZ????

Posted by: Matt Brand | Aug 1, 2006 12:46:06 PM

Believe the pitch is ongoing.

Posted by: Tim Nudd | Aug 1, 2006 12:47:54 PM

Who else is pitching this? Haven't heard anything about it until now.

Posted by: fowlmouth | Aug 1, 2006 12:55:06 PM

I can't wait to show this to my mom. I'm sure she'll forward it on to my Uncle, becuase they are such huge interactive advertising fans.

Posted by: Jimbo | Aug 1, 2006 12:57:45 PM

I wish their current clients can see how their agency completely stop working on their business as soon as they have a pitch coming in. This is shooting yourself in the foot. Trying to win new business but ending losing your existing clients.
Brilliant.

Posted by: jerome | Aug 1, 2006 1:00:16 PM

Say what you want about it, but you've gotta admit that its pretty ballsy to put your pitch out in the open. I disagree with some of the things they are preaching, but I respect that they are taking the chance and doing it.

Posted by: Frank the Tank | Aug 1, 2006 1:08:38 PM

Agency.com's "viral" pitch is definitely pushing the boundary of what can be considered viral. In terms of content, it's long and not really that funny. However, the idea of pitching in this manner is pretty cool, and love it or hate it, people- even if they're mostly from the ad community-are definitely talking, which means more press for Subway.

Posted by: dizzle | Aug 1, 2006 1:13:29 PM

It really funny how so many people who claim to know so much about everything interactive always are the ones posting comments in negative light. Are you really that offended that an Interactive Agency put out a video about a pitch with a client. The biggest complaint clients have had about agencies, is that they have disconnected with "people" and "consumers" and have focused more on awards. So good for them, you should be approached more by random strangers working on behalf of your brand..
Oh wait...you are offended, because you never realized why everyone else was getting ahead of you and doing more with thier lives..its simple really, they never claimed to know everything and now they dont have time for you. If its not viral, then explain what viral is, instead of bitching about it...

Posted by: Don Knots | Aug 1, 2006 1:18:58 PM

Amen

Posted by: addarling | Aug 1, 2006 1:57:07 PM

Agree - can blogs stop complaining about the word "viral". Who cares.

Correct, something being online doesn't make it viral. But the point of the video was for people to send it to each other - and a couple thousand people did that - so the video is viral. It worked. And some virals are better than others. What are you gonna do?

It's like if a movie studio talked about an unpcoming summer blockbuster, and then MovieFreak.com starts whining about "It's not a blockbuster until lots of people see it!! We're so, so mad!!!" Oh, you know what they meant.

And can we stop referring to this blog as "AdFreak". This blog is exactly like 500 other advertising blogs run by people who couldn't make it in the industry, so there's nothing really freakish about it.

Posted by: Phil | Aug 1, 2006 2:13:08 PM

This video is terrible. YouTube has entered the mainstream and is now shitty interactive agencies's horse to beat to death, much like subservient chicken was not so long ago. There's nothing creative or intersting about this. And the reason it's getting buzz is that it's so blatnatly bad. No wonder Agency.com imploded in the bubble.

Posted by: deathstar | Aug 1, 2006 2:23:47 PM

Memo to Don Knots: viral is organic and contagious. Madsion Avenue is not.

Posted by: Opie | Aug 1, 2006 2:26:17 PM

if it were great, i'd applaud it. it's not. too long. uninspired. and highly unfunny. the end with them watching the video is so tired it's sad. I agree that viral is an overused term. this is no big hucking chicken. but then, agency.com is no "big hucking" digital agency. let's all save some pixels and just move on. not worth this much communication. it sucks and that's that.

Posted by: cinnabar | Aug 1, 2006 2:32:23 PM

I agree Opie, Madison avenue is niether alive nor spreading anything worth catching that is for sure.. Its just rare that you see an agency interactive or not going out on to the streets to learn about a brand.. viral, organic, engine, blah blah blah.. sell brand and product, bottom line.

Posted by: Don Knots | Aug 1, 2006 2:54:24 PM

hmmm.

kudo's for trying to understand the clients base in an inventive way even though it looked like show and I don't think they really learned anything.

Boo for regurgitating the standard pitch info but in a video. Instead of reading the same ideas from other agencies this time the folks at Subway get to watch it.

another Boo for not following the RFP guides.

Kudo's for breaking out the spy cam.

Kudo's&Boo for giving all the other agencies an idea on what their up to.

Boo for the lack of Pirates in the video - Pirates are hot right now. But at least they didn't animate hand drawn type over the whole thing.

Posted by: subslayer | Aug 1, 2006 3:01:23 PM

Can you really trust senior art director with a fauxhawk.

FauxHawk + YouTube = A short ride on the Trend Express Line

Posted by: Nickle and Dime | Aug 1, 2006 3:07:42 PM

I love fauxhawk.

Posted by: Pee Can | Aug 1, 2006 4:19:59 PM

The music in that thing is fuckin' awesome.

Posted by: Tartcart | Aug 1, 2006 4:21:41 PM

What is it with agency types and their hate? The video isn't going to change the world but it is likable. Which is more than can be said for 99% of the smug, over-produced, self-referencial crap that Madison Avenue produces. And do those who declare that "it's all about the idea" really have any credibility? Really, where are these so-called ideas in advertising today? Wake up, no one cares about your commercials. No one. Seriously. Bravo Agency.com for a solid effort.

Posted by: captainjack | Aug 1, 2006 4:30:40 PM

"Oh wait...you are offended, because you never realized why everyone else was getting ahead of you and doing more with thier lives."
Ouch, agency.com comes back with a nasty reply.. seriously.. if you can't take criticism.. then don't post it to YouTube.... and most of all:

If you have to tell people that it's viral.. then chances are it's not viral.

i agree with the comments that it's too long, unoriginal, not funny, and pretty much leaves me wanting my 9 minutes back...

Posted by: brent | Aug 1, 2006 4:41:45 PM

Since when does the term "viral" equal "excellent creative"? You're fired.

Posted by: | Aug 1, 2006 4:45:27 PM

I don't know about any of you guys, but I'll take a Frank sandwich with a side of Adam. :)

Posted by: Supercake | Aug 1, 2006 4:46:30 PM

"Viral" equals "excellent creative"?

YouTube's top 100 most viewed videos:

58 are consumer created
31 are music videos
4 are commercial ads (Sony Balls, VW Pimp My Auto)
3 are commercial virals (2 identical Nike videos, 1 Nintendo)
2 are movie trailers
2 are Asian candid camera shows

Posted by: juniormint | Aug 1, 2006 5:02:53 PM

What you've got here is a Creative Director who needs to get his head out of that dark place that he thinks all his ideas come from. Bad move. Unfortunately for the folks at Agency.com (who are posting here as well, obviously) this is an undefendable embarassment.

Posted by: douggie | Aug 1, 2006 5:10:37 PM

OK, pat Agency.com on the back for being "different".

As stated about 1,000,000 times above, the term "viral" is becoming as cliche as "upside" has during the NBA draft. While this has CLEARLY created quite the conversation topic amongst those in the ad world, I cant see it going far beyond that.

While Subway may be impressed by the way Agency.com tried to understand their business thru a hands-on approach, I dont think they will find it to be a winner nor appreciate the extra 4 minutes outside the limits stated in the RFP.

Posted by: Sean | Aug 1, 2006 5:49:33 PM

I live in Argentina and I don't know if I would hire agency.com, but I sure want to try one of those sandwiches of Subway, they look great... yammy... & peace!

Posted by: rusomayer | Aug 1, 2006 6:23:57 PM

I eat babies.

Posted by: Baby Eater | Aug 1, 2006 6:39:48 PM

"And can we stop referring to this blog as "AdFreak". This blog is exactly like 500 other advertising blogs run by people who couldn't make it in the industry, so there's nothing really freakish about it."

Phil, it's the name of the blog. What do you want them to do? Change it just because you don't like the name. I can't speak for the writers of AdFreak but over at my place, Adrants, I have every right to bitch as much as I want after a successful 20 years doing the same shit we just saw in the agency.com video:-)

I'm glad I'm not doing that shit any more but it did pay the bills and it was a hell of a lot of fun. It doesn't make it right though.

We can blame all this and other self-indulgent ad folly on the person who invented the term "think outside the box." Why do we need to think outside the box when everybody else, including the consumers we're trying to reach with our crap are and have been living comfortably inside that box forever?

Posted by: Steve Hall | Aug 1, 2006 8:03:09 PM

The video is a piece of crap.

It was a waste of time and agency resources...probably what agency.com would squander away if they actually did get the Subway account.

Kevin Nichols

Posted by: Kevin Nichols | Aug 1, 2006 8:11:29 PM

Agency.com claims this is "viral success?"

Please.

As of now, Art Director Craig Ferrence's "sale" of his student spec work on ebay gained 2000 more views.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6626642598

If you can't even beat a single midlevel Art Director at viral self-promotion, you should shut yer big fat yap.

Posted by: Dean | Aug 1, 2006 8:14:47 PM

I wonder if anybody from Subway has read through these comments?

I wonder what impression that would leave. Would these comments alone make the video irrelevant?

Posted by: Slappy McGee | Aug 1, 2006 9:08:23 PM

Ugh.

It is pretty bad.

But anyone who's coming on here and getting all upset about it is roughly a million times more sad than this video could ever aspire to be.

Pitch videos are the worst. I've made a couple and there's a special place in hell for me because of them.

At least Agency.com's trying something a little different.

And funny enough, if it works, they'll actually receive more punishment than anyone on this blog could ever wish on them:

The Subway account.

Posted by: My Tattoos Are Interesting | Aug 1, 2006 10:04:59 PM

Guys lighten up ... I used to work there and no particular biases pro or con. I think this would have been fun to work on - something different. And as far as being off brief - it's not like a five minute executive video is some sort of real assignment - they want to get to know the agency and this will stand out.

On the other hand it is not "viral" unless they are simply posting on YouTube and not sending to Subway - which would be sort of risky. :)

And couldn't agree more about it not being that good. I like the try, but to an earlier post if this is the best 9 minutes out of 18 hours of video ... well they need some better creative talent.

But I think it reflects fine on the agency, a bit corny sure, but a bit of a different approach.

Posted by: Brad | Aug 1, 2006 11:25:16 PM

I actually feel badly for Subway - they didn't ask for any of this. Makes them look bad to even be associated with this video.

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 1:38:47 AM

it looks like people are taking to this ... they have "When we roll, We roll big" t-shirts for sale!

http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?op=article&article_id=3404773#top

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 9:47:55 AM

To everyone.

Apparently all you people who are complaining about this not being a viral video don’t quite understand the meaning of “viral”. The mere fact that people are discussing this video effort, good or bad, had made it a successful viral video. Just because it is not going to reach very far outside of the agency circles does not make it a failed attempt at a viral video.

It has sparked conversation amongst my team and debate in the industry as well as a bunch of news and blog postings. Like it or not, this is how you generate a buzz about something. People need to take chances and come up with creative ways to do things in this industry. I have worked for a lot of different agencies, both private and public and I have seen many, many worse attempts at self promotion then this.

So I, for one, applaud the NY office. They set out to do something that would get people talking and they did just that. It seems unfair to blast agency for an attempt to do something different then the rest of the pack. Isn’t that the very foundation for which this industry was built on?

Posted by: Joshua | Aug 2, 2006 10:54:28 AM

it's nice to know that mediocre internet ad agencies have mediocre people who appreciate thier bad work.

Posted by: douggie | Aug 2, 2006 11:04:39 AM

boo hoo. stop pissing all over everything.

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 11:13:52 AM

So do you all really not get it?

Agency.com has a niche- they're interactive.
In order to prove how much they "get" the interactive arena, they went and posted their pitch video- which I have no doubt didn't look dramatically different from BBDO's pitch video- on YouTube.
Figuring, of course, that the Subway execs would be unsophisticated enough to think that Agency.com was demonstrating a cool new technology and would make them famous via real "viral" videos on YouTube. I'm sure the guys at Agency.com realize that this isn't a "viral video" in the true sense of the word. They just hoped the Subway client wouldn't figure that out.

Maybe.

I don't know the Subway client or their degree of sophistication. But I do know that every TV-centric agency in the world is busy shooting stuff that they can post on the web and call "viral." And that, like it or not, the BBDOs and Crispin Porters and WKs of the world do a much better job of filmmaking than the Agency.coms do. No matter where the film runs.

Posted by: Alex Cross | Aug 2, 2006 11:30:22 AM

who in here has a boner right now? be honest.

Posted by: steve | Aug 2, 2006 11:42:25 AM

Message to Don Knots: we did this aeons ago, it was called VoxPop in those days. Or Market Research.

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 12:18:55 PM

I was set out to hate these guys for this lame attempt. but i found the creative directors endearing. so there. the video is crap, they shouldn't get the business, but i like them.

and PPS this video is viral, for ad people. it's like a snakes on the plane clip for our little ad community.

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 12:37:56 PM

Nikki and Colleen seems like hot hot hot creatives. it's cool they also dabble in planning.

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 12:41:27 PM

it's viral. i'd take whatever virus kate is willing to give.

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 12:59:49 PM

We make ads to sell people on useless crap they don't need. We're not rocket scientists. We're not Hollywood filmakers. And we're certianly not saving any lives.

Seriously people, lets do our jobs and get over it already. There IS life beyond advertising. And it's actually much more rewarding and exciting. Yes, it can be fun and creative. But take a step back already and realize that the only people that give two sh!ts about this stuff is... us.

Good lord.

Posted by: WeMakeAds | Aug 2, 2006 1:25:34 PM

How do we know this isn't a "mockumentry" type video about the process of making new biz videos?

Posted by: think | Aug 2, 2006 1:37:27 PM

I'm find the Creative Director pleasing to the eye.

Posted by: AngryPete | Aug 2, 2006 2:08:10 PM

"Trying something different" and "a different approach", common defenses it seems, are about as cliche as the usage of "viral" in this video.

Being different does not equate to quality, and this here, well, it certainly is "different."

Posted by: | Aug 2, 2006 2:29:17 PM

WOW. I watched the whole nine minutes thinking that this was some kind of big "meta" joke. A viral about making a viral about making a viral about how cheesy and homogenously awful ad people are. Even down to the cornball Sr AD with the faux-hawk and the Financial guy who doesn't get it. I'm sad to see that this is actually real. I'm also delighted that I recently quit the agency game in favor of never having to say things like "experiences not messages" again. Ungh. This viral is as bland as Subway's food.

Posted by: jamie | Aug 2, 2006 3:38:37 PM

http://www.coudal.com/unsolicited.php

An unsolicited response, in kind, to agency.com from Coudal Partners.

Posted by: SD | Aug 2, 2006 4:19:03 PM

normaly I don't post crap on youtube but these guys deserve it!

mine is really funny! will subway hire me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE0SsmAWI5k

enjoy!

Posted by: crashbanger13 | Aug 2, 2006 4:44:48 PM

dude. the benny hill mashup is hilarious. nice one crashbanger

Posted by: waka waka waka | Aug 2, 2006 5:24:34 PM

Hell, I'm thrilled that this might mean I don't have to see Jared anymore pitching crappy food.

Posted by: Fuzzygoats | Aug 3, 2006 3:38:22 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xVniodmKfY

Posted by: blonde ambitchin | Aug 3, 2006 5:10:35 AM

The sad thing here, I think, is that they missed the opportunity to do something really clever.

As it's been said - they missed the brief. Subway didn't want an adhoc webad that could potentially damage their brand - they wanted a video of the ad executives.

If they really wanted to show that they 'get' YouTube, they should have posted their executive team doing parodies of the webcam videos that predominate the online service.

And then, rather that announcing "hey - we're doing a viral ad!" - they could have quietly let a few people know what they've done, and seen if it truly was viral.

Posted by: Alexander Angelus | Aug 3, 2006 5:49:29 AM

What's with all the downers on excellent creative = viral. Surely the best stuff definitely gets sent around? That makes it viral. YouTube isn't about viral it's about video sharing! This Agency.com has only got to be termed 'viral' because it's infected so many lame brains commenting on here.

Posted by: | Aug 3, 2006 8:34:21 AM

Wow. I love this industry. There's nothing but geniuses that can take shots at everything somebody else comes up with. Where's the suggestions of how they could have done it better? Where are the "original ideas" that everyone keeps clamoring for? Where is a single shred of evidence that anyone whos spouts off can do one iota better? Nowhere.

Let's take a moment to grab a hold of our overblown egos, think about how this could have been done better, and share. Glass houses and rocks don't go well. And everybody needs to clean the pot and kettle.

I personally haven't put that much thought into how I would have done it - but give me a few and I'll try to put something together. Does anyone have a copy of the RFP that can paraphrase the requirements?

Posted by: ignacio burrito | Aug 3, 2006 8:56:58 AM

Great point. This thing was a way of getting through that horrible "chemistry" thing and I'd be amazed if the client wasn't impressed with their courage, commitment and sheer chutzpah. I hope they make the short-list.

Posted by: david brain | Aug 3, 2006 10:23:16 AM

Of all these posts, my favorite are the ones that are trying to make a case that agency.com took a committed, unique approach to the pitch by "going out and truly learning about the brand and its customers." It's called ETHNOGRAPHY. It is done every day in our business. It was done just last week by our interns for their summer project. Give me a break.
And I guarantee that every time someone on that video said "and it'll be viral" they weren't hoping a bunch of ad execs on adfreak were going to be arguing over how f'ing bad it was. Do all the people on this post who are saying "you're talking about it, so it's viral" willing to go to the subway client with that? Don’t think so.

Posted by: yes have some | Aug 3, 2006 10:51:41 AM

Know what iwas thinking. This would actually be good if it was done by a weiden or goodby.. So you could see their process. Agency.com is just a crap place and it's a lame video. Wish I could see goodby's comcast pitch vid

Posted by: n/a | Aug 3, 2006 12:41:48 PM

I'm not in advertising but I do know what I like. I didn't like this. Whether it's viral or not doesn't make a whit of difference to me.

There were just so many things about it that were either boring, uninspired or just plain bad: the reality-tv "confessional"-type moments, the cheesy alt-rock montage, the snide manner in which they treated their on-street interviewees (the hairdresser with the paunchy gut says Americans need a "subway diet", oh hahaha), the bullshit fake brainstorming discussions (remember, they mention the script that needed to be written).

And what was the message behind Lance first THROWING THE SUBWAY CUP IN THE TRASH, then going back and caressing it lovingly? Is this supposed to be some moment of clarity or something?

Overall, this is a great way of letting youtube viewers see just how artificial an agency can be.

I think it is viral, cause after seeing it, I feel a little sick.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 3, 2006 2:02:24 PM

think fresh

Posted by: there stands the glass | Aug 3, 2006 2:44:06 PM

They should have had Katie repeatedly flash the camera. Then we'd have a viral video on our hands.

Posted by: mrjulius | Aug 3, 2006 3:22:50 PM

To the people that say "IT IS VIRAL! See. Everyone is talking about it!"

1. Do you think that they intended for it to be viral because of how bad it is?

2. Do you think that Subway will be impressed with their ability to create viral content and think that this video demonstrates that they could create viral content for them?

Posted by: stephen griffin | Aug 3, 2006 3:52:17 PM

Also, masturbatory.

Posted by: stephen griffin | Aug 3, 2006 4:05:48 PM

Hahaha! Not viral? Look at all the posts on this page and elsewhere. It seems that the blogosphere can't talk enough about it.

Posted by: Jenny Roman | Aug 3, 2006 5:03:57 PM

So, arguing semantics:

Just because people talk about it doesn't make it "viral". If people talk about it, it's "buzz". "Buzz" isn't the same thing as "viral". If the President publicly declares that tomorrow is "Hail Canada" day, people will be talking about it. That's "buzz". If a video of it is placed on YouTube or Google Video, that's still "buzz".

It's "viral", however, if someone finds a video of the President in drag dancing the Macarena in his youth, high off an eightball, and people spread it because it's just so gol-darned weird.

For somethign to be "viral", it has to have a rampant, uncontrolled, pandemic-like transmission of things called "memes".

People send "viral" "memes" because it's cool, it's funny, it's interesting. It's why the Sony Bravia ads, or the Honda Cog/Rube Goldberg ad, or the Star Wars Kid, or Snakes on a Plane are all viral--the video, the meme, sells itself, as well as the product. It hooks the recipient, and because it's so wierd, it compels them to pass it on.

This video isn't that compelling; it doesn't sell itself. It's hardly "viral", but it is generating "buzz".

Also, to answer those of you who equate "viral" to "good creative", I refer you to other examples of viral memes: Yatta!, Tunak Tunak Tun, ZeroWing, Snakes on a Plane, or, one of the worst, Goatse. Just because something is "viral" doesn't make it "good", "creative", or "good creative". It just means that it's odd enough, strange enough, or funny enough to capture enough mindshare for that brief moment of an ADD-laden infosphere.

Finally, "viral" seems to have become one of those buzzwords by which you can identify those who are struggling to catch up to the cutting edge, used frequently by those who don't truly have a grasp of what it entails or even means. It falls now, alongside the words "paradigm shift", "Web 2.0", "engagement", and "social networking".

Posted by: marq hwang | Aug 3, 2006 5:04:52 PM

What's with all the downer comments on this page? The piece was creative enough to get the lot of you all talking about it. Most of the mean-sprited posts here are just vitriolic rantings from people pissed they didn't think of it first. Especially the mock video from Coudal Partners--don't you guys have actual work to do?

Posted by: Josh | Aug 3, 2006 5:11:04 PM

The piece is creative, I suppose. Yes, we are talking about it. Did I like it? Not really. Does it matter? Not particularly. Does it work? Beats me.

We're talking about it. People talk about alot of things on the internet. Just because people talk and bitch and moan about something, however, doesn't necessarily mean that that something is "creative".

That's "buzz", not "viral", which is what I'm arguing about--semantics. Which, admittedly, on internet arguments, is the last refuge of the scoundrel. I'll be that scoundrel, however. When you start taking a buzzword or a concept and start using that term everywhere, it starts losing its meaning--and that's something that already seems to be happening to the whole concept of "viral marketing". Maybe that's the way it is, but I'll be damned if I don't throw in my two roubles and complain about it as it happens.

Posted by: marq hwang | Aug 3, 2006 5:17:37 PM

I got here from Metafilter, and have been a decision maker in a number of companies looking for ad content. I would have hired these guys in a second if they can back up their art with solid tracking numbers. Wow, only up 2 days and it has already filtered out the mainstream. For us non-as types, the ones with the money to spend, this hit home. I thought it was meant to be hokey enough to be made fun of (was that a banjo in there somewhere?), and thus, become a self-fulfilling viral prophesy. What a great freakin' job they did here--hope they land the client (who's current ad campaign featuring Jared is getting very stale).

Posted by: Keith | Aug 3, 2006 5:21:23 PM

Keith, Metafilter is hardly mainstream. Just so you know. :)

Posted by: marq hwang | Aug 3, 2006 5:32:28 PM

HOLY SHIT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFitDdRzVU

Posted by: stevej | Aug 3, 2006 6:15:49 PM

Marq, well said. Very well said.
I have already printed and laminated your post to hand to each of my clients when they say "we want to do something viral!"

Posted by: yes have some | Aug 3, 2006 7:04:35 PM

Let me start off by saying that the Agency.com Creative Director is very fat.

Let me follow that by saying a Word Of Mouth marketing effort is only effective when that word is POSITIVE.

If success is just buzz, regardless that the buzz sounds alot like "what douchebags" and "self important crap" and "not funny at all," then New Coke was successful, as was Kevin Federline's music career, and Kevin Cosner's Waterworld.

*fart*

Posted by: Dean | Aug 3, 2006 7:20:43 PM

Btw, has anyone seen this site yet: http://www.whenwerollwerollbig.com ?

It was set up by Agency.com two days ago and it claims that "You are all talking about it, so it's working" !? ;-)

Posted by: Bjoern Ognibeni | Aug 3, 2006 7:57:43 PM

The joke is on us.

http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/08/joke-is-on-us.html

The fact that people are debating if this is viral is hilarious, btw.

Posted by: George Nimeh | Aug 3, 2006 9:51:58 PM

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Posted by: me you | Aug 3, 2006 9:53:35 PM

"Good work on the Henry thing. But let’s see if we can’t "kick it up one more notch," to quote my favourite sitcom star. The Henry ad is annoying, sure, but it doesn’t inspire the sense of utter, cold-hearted hatred that I’m looking for.

Look, Jared was too sympathetic. People could feel for a guy trying to lose weight. And apparently no one wants to hate firefighters anymore, after last week. I’m not really sure what happened- coke bender, you know how it is. Still, my secretary tells me firefighters are golden right now.

North America is kind of pleasantly indifferent to us right now. That can’t stand. They have to either hate us or love us, and it’s a hell of a lot easier to make them hate us. Let’s make ‘em say "What the fucking fuck?" and throw things at the TV. And then come into Subway, because they can’t get us out of their tiny little chick pea-sized brains.

Make me happy or you’re fired, Randall Cunningham III, CEO, Subway LLC"

-- from: http://www.goldenwords.net/issues/article.php?id=3712-12

Posted by: optimus | Aug 3, 2006 9:54:28 PM

now someone's made this spoof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFitDdRzVU

whoever said the real action is in the comments and beyond hit the nail on the head!

Posted by: amy | Aug 3, 2006 10:19:03 PM

I'm not in advertising. I'm in application development. I didn't really learn anything about the team at agency.com. Wouldn't that be the point. What I learned is that they wanted to be different, so they faked being different. It doesn't look natural to how they normally would operate. To an outsider looking in, they pretty much didn't complete the assignment, because they didn't make the viewer believe what their company is all about.

Posted by: Ryan | Aug 4, 2006 12:21:33 PM

Nice viral.

Posted by: fritz | Aug 4, 2006 1:38:47 PM

I know this is a late comment, and therefor probably will not have any merit, but allow me to say that anyone who believes that this was not viral...doesn't understand what viral means. There were 6,000 views of this video when I watched it...less then 24 hours later there were 17,000 views.

Posted by: rain | Aug 4, 2006 3:33:55 PM

*Did the New York office of agency.com just destroy the entire agency? There was mad buzz about Vanilla Ice and Milli Vanilli too.

**Isn't the really horrifying thing about this that it rings so true?

***Aren't there an abundance idiots and ego maniacs who hold the creative director title ?

To paraphrase Bill Bernbach: Nothing is more dangerous than a bad idea well executed.

Posted by: aiden_ma | Aug 4, 2006 3:37:51 PM

The question on this isn't whether it's viral. It's clearly viral because people are sending it around and talking about it. The real question should be whether it's good or not. And it's not. They don't seem to learn anything insighful about Subway, they prove that they don't really understand that viral doesn't mean successful and they come across like the cliches ad people are always protrayed as in the media. It's the equivalent of pulling down your pants in public and then claiming success because you got attention. Zinga!

Posted by: ohmygod | Aug 7, 2006 9:35:24 PM

The insouciance and earnestness of the agency aside, this strikes me less as advertising and more as brilliant PR - for Subway in its battle with franchisees - the real audience for this video, in my opinion, and the only Subway customer segment that really counts - Subway is doing just fine attracting hungry consumers.

"So you think corporate sucks at controlling advertising? Look what our agency did. Try that, you franchisees!"

Posted by: bobinorlando | Aug 8, 2006 10:20:46 AM

Is this even real? Are we all taking it too seriously? I can't help but wonder - was this entire idea pitched to Subway long before we ever saw it as a 'viral' campaign? Seems like they make a concerted effort to get the brand in there as often as possible. And they spend an awful lot of time showing the clean, sparkly store and fresh ingredients while conducting research.

I'm just sayin...

Posted by: eshea | Aug 8, 2006 5:06:49 PM

Wow! Now that's criticism. I have to say, yes. There's something really cool about being will to post your agency pitch online. And for those of you who read this blog who actually work in this business and can be considered the target audience, you're either jealous or you forgot last night's midnight stint printing out decks for a client meeting. I think they went above and beyond. Sure it was a little long, but it was engaging and took the pitch a step further by harnessing a new medium of delivery. If I were the Subway guys, I'd give strong consideration to hiring agency.com. There's a lot of good agencies out there, but the ones that take the risk are greatly rewarded...or I should say, their clients are greatly rewarded. Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Tim | Aug 9, 2006 12:16:19 PM

All the negative comments that are being posted here are bull shit! You're all knocking something that has worked. Lot's of stuff that you don't like actually works because 'normal people' can't be arsed having to think really hard to get it.
Wake up!

Posted by: Dave | Aug 10, 2006 1:26:33 AM

Tim, Dave: leave the advertising business as soon as possible. It's not working for you. It's just not a good fit. Do this immediately. You have just defended what will be known as one of the worst agency debacles of all time! None of the people critiquing this abortion of an idea are critiquing the intent or the "viral" delivery system. It’s because it was BAD CREATIVE!!! On about NINE THOUSAND levels. The intent of this video was to win the Subway account: would actually let those people have your account? If you can’t see that, leave, leave, leave: get out NOW. Please.

Posted by: Wes Covina | Aug 10, 2006 5:50:16 AM

I once had agency in to pitch for my business. That was ages ago. I wished they would have done something like this back then... it would have saved me having to go through the pain that turned out to be their presentation. The only good thingabout this video are the spoofs that are popping up:

http://www.coudal.com/unsolicited.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJyMEP_AGjQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFitDdRzVU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJ2Gz0q984

Posted by: MarcusBrown | Aug 10, 2006 7:20:21 AM

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Posted by: | Aug 12, 2006 12:57:30 AM

I bet that girl on the street didn't e-mail the THING to her friends cose it wasn't funny. But people who viewed this on youtube after sitting in front of the computer for a looong time (me 3h now combined with other stuff) probably felt hungry... and the only thing that comes to my mind now is a sandwich, maybe even a Subway! So I think they did it! Didn't touch masses of people but 77 thousand + isn't a small number.

Posted by: knezMislav | Aug 14, 2006 4:57:56 PM

As a client I was completely let down by this video. This left me with an overall feeling of who cares. It lacks depth, understand of a marketing, a fresh approach and a contemporary viewpoint. Posting it online means nothing from this particular agency as they're a dot com too. I would cut them first round.

Posted by: CMO | Sep 15, 2006 6:15:09 PM

Self Indulgent. Sloppy. Rudderless.
This is desperate performance art in lieu of serving the client.

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