Anti-gun group positions NRA as kidnappers
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So when the anti-constitution crowd compare the NRA to kidnappers, you feel the need to pile on by comparing them to a terrorist organization. Nice.
Posted by: Iggy | Jul 10, 2007 9:03:33 AM
Well David, if you would have seen the Moose who sat down next to me in the subway this morning you would understand why I had a 22 rifle under my armpit. ps....Deutsch sucks!!!
Posted by: J-Broccoli | Jul 10, 2007 9:09:44 AM
Why do those NRA folks not have the slightest bit of humor? The call themselves Sportsmen, and that is really a funny joke. :-)
Posted by: Propaganda Minister | Jul 10, 2007 10:21:28 AM
"NRA folks" have a sense of humor. The same sense of humor "advertising folks" have when some jack-tard decides that the ads you produce are offensive and should be removed. The amendments are sacred, all of them, not just the ones you happen to like. Comparing the NRA to a terrorist group? The 2nd amendment is the guarantor of the others.
Posted by: solorunner | Jul 10, 2007 11:24:22 AM
Why is it everytime someone questions Amendment II, people drag out Amendment I? Those two get all the glory. I say we start a raging debate over Amendment IX.
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Let the games begin.
Posted by: Bill of Rights Wonk | Jul 10, 2007 11:50:01 AM
Bill of Rights Wonk? Spot on! thank you for bringing up the much forgotten and rarely discussed 9th. We have MORE rights then those specifically written in the Constitution and those cannot be diluted by our leaders (read: the courts)Awesome.
Posted by: solorunner | Jul 10, 2007 12:19:25 PM
I can't speak for the NRA, but labeling them "pro-firearms" is a bit of a misnomer. They are, like many other non-profits, a single issue civil rights group.
More importantly, consider the source of the billboard, an organization that cannot even cite statistics correctly. They claim "guns kill 83 people every day." Ignoring for the moment the inanity of an inanimate object killing anyone, the gun control group fails to mention than a full half of the deaths are suicides. Until they can (pardon the pun) shoot straight with the public, then such billboards are nothing more than "shameless publicity ploys.”
Posted by: Guy Smith | Jul 10, 2007 10:09:52 PM
And 80% of the numbers they use, are from law enforcement using guns to kill people. No, they don't tell you that when they quote how many people die from firearms each day!
Posted by: Bob Cormier | Jul 11, 2007 9:51:33 AM
When will advertising people do great work for the second amendment? It seems every agency I work for only does liberal pro-bono stuff. I hope the creatives that did this anti-gun crappy billboard have to face an armed criminal. Let's see how they like gun control when they're unarmed and defenseless against a psycho that wants to kill you.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 11, 2007 10:03:21 AM
Do it yourself, if you believe in it so much. Pro bono doesn't have to come from an agency, and your bosses probably now you're a conservative by now as we all do.
There have been many good, conservative ads in the past. See the "My mother's going to kill me" abortion ad and the work in the UK for the conservative party for evidence.
Posted by: yikes | Jul 11, 2007 12:53:33 PM
"Bobby" isn't a convervative. Read his comments throughout this site and you'll see him for what he is: a self-centered, foul-mouthed, god-hating, un-American hypocrite.
Luckily, he's not real.
Posted by: Johnny Birch | Jul 11, 2007 4:34:21 PM
oh i just LOOOOOVE how the gun nuts suddenly flock to an ad blog at the mere mention of second amendment. with their pathetic rote "arguments".
more guns for everyone all the time is so clearly the answer to gun violence. of course!
guys, don't try to kid the kidders. we're in advertising
Posted by: Daniel Boone | Jul 11, 2007 8:20:59 PM
Does anyone think it's a bad idea to have an armed-to-the-teeth government (police, military) and a completely unarmed citizenry?
I do. And I don't even own a gun, don't intend to and have never shot or even held a real gun.
Still, it is my right to bear arms should I choose to do so.
Posted by: Liberal | Jul 11, 2007 8:24:20 PM
" a self-centered, foul-mouthed, god-hating, un-American hypocrite."
---I think you're projecting how you feel about yourself.
"more guns for everyone all the time is so clearly the answer to gun violence. of course!"
---Well, it's a better alternative than disarming law abiding people to make sure that criminals face no real opposition. Go ahead and put your faith in the government. They can't protect our border, they can't balance a budget, they can't pay the national debt, but I'm sure they can protect you when you're in a dark corner with a psycho that wants to kill you.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 12, 2007 11:04:19 AM
oh for god's sake, what utter childish nonsense.
guns have to be controlled because they're KILLING MACHINES. and it just makes sense. and stop with the hysterical doomsday apocalypse scenario bullshit. this is america. unprovoked foreign wars aside, things are actually going pretty good here.
nobody's looking to take away your precious toys. just a little common sense. that's all.
http://www.nowpublic.com/chicago_loses_more_black_kids_than_soldiers_in_iraq_to_gun_violence
Posted by: GROW UP! | Jul 12, 2007 12:55:43 PM
bobby.
you are a good reason why so many people are killed by guns in america.
Posted by: mike | Jul 12, 2007 1:52:59 PM
"guns have to be controlled because they're KILLING MACHINES"
---According to statistics, more kids are killed by swimming pools than gun. Compare 10,000 by pools to 115 by accidental shootings of kids playing with a gun.
But of course, kids drowning doesn't make the news, so people like Mike and Grow Up get their lies from the New York Times, ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN and end up believing that guns are dangerous.
Typical liberal elitism. If guns are so bad, how come celebrities like Rosie O'Donnel are allowed to have armed bodyguards? How come Bill Clinton gets to be protected by armed to the teeth secret agents at taxpayer expense? I guess that makes them special people, and since liberals worship celebrities, I guess it's ok for those uber-humans to be protected while the rest of us aren't.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 12, 2007 7:16:48 PM
bobby,
you're embarrassing yourself here. your deranged distorted arguments make absolutely no sense and don't merit rebuttal. so i won't bother. my ten year old daughter could do better.
it's kind of sad really.
Posted by: GROW UP! | Jul 12, 2007 8:00:32 PM
I'm not "projecting" how I "feel," Bobby.
It's all about you, and it's all true. You're self-centered, as shown in your belief that since YOU are a video "gamer," violent, terroristic posters are okay in the London subway where deadly attacks have occured. You're foul-mouthed as evidenced by your frequently (and gratuitously) profanity-riddled posts. You're god-hating, as seen in your dubious "conservative" rants that clearly aren't conservative and aren't based on any discernible faith - and in fact run counter to god's word. And most of all, you're un-American, as you deride those who disagree with you, and as you insult American employers, businesses, workers and even families of 9/11 victims. In your world, your view counts, and no one else's. You're a hypocrite, unwilling to hold yourself to the same standards you demand of eveyone else.
Posted by: Johnny Birch | Jul 13, 2007 11:01:22 AM
I'm not "projecting" how I "feel," Bobby.
It's all about you, and it's all true. You're self-centered, as shown in your belief that since YOU are a video "gamer," violent, terroristic posters are okay in the London subway where deadly attacks have occured. You're foul-mouthed as evidenced by your frequently (and gratuitously) profanity-riddled posts. You're god-hating, as seen in your dubious "conservative" rants that clearly aren't conservative and aren't based on any discernible faith - and in fact run counter to god's word. And most of all, you're un-American, as you deride those who disagree with you, and as you insult American employers, businesses, workers and even families of 9/11 victims. In your world, your view counts, and no one else's. You're a hypocrite, unwilling to hold yourself to the same standards you demand of eveyone else.
Posted by: Johnny Birch | Jul 13, 2007 11:02:27 AM
I'm not "projecting" how I "feel," Bobby.
It's all about you, and it's all true. You're self-centered, as shown in your belief that since YOU are a video "gamer," violent, terroristic posters are okay in the London subway where deadly attacks have occured. You're foul-mouthed as evidenced by your frequently (and gratuitously) profanity-riddled posts. You're god-hating, as seen in your dubious "conservative" rants that clearly aren't conservative and aren't based on any discernible faith - and in fact run counter to god's word. And most of all, you're un-American, as you deride those who disagree with you, and as you insult American employers, businesses, workers and even families of 9/11 victims. In your world, your view counts, and no one else's. You're a hypocrite, unwilling to hold yourself to the same standards you demand of eveyone else.
Posted by: Johnny Birch | Jul 13, 2007 11:02:33 AM
Oh Jonny, you're out so out of touch with real Americans.
Here, why not visit a website like http://snorphty.blogspot.com/ to see how they feel about your politically correct nonsense.
"as shown in your belief that since YOU are a video "gamer," violent, terroristic posters are okay in the London subway where deadly attacks have occured."
---So I guess you want the terrorists to win. Just because deadly attacks occur doesn't mean we all have to stop good advertising. As for violence, if the brits don't like it, they should ban soccer. Everyone knows how dangerous soccer fans can be. But because soccer is more popular than video games, they try to screw with us.
"You're foul-mouthed as evidenced by your frequently (and gratuitously) profanity-riddled posts."
---There's nothing wrong with using profanity online.
"and in fact run counter to god's word."
---Where does it say "Thou shalt not use profanity?" It doesn't. In fact, God uses profanity Himself. "Damn the moabites, damn the malakites," etc.
"And most of all, you're un-American, as you deride those who disagree with you,"
---That is a completely American thing to do. We deride opinions everyday.
"In your world, your view counts, and no one else's."
---My views are shared by millions, maybe not celebrities, maybe not liberal TV stations, but millions of Americans agree with me, Rush Limbaugh, and others. When polls are taken, 85% of Americans support the second amendment. That makes me the majority outside the advertising world which is clearly dominated by liberals.
And here's a message for GROW UP, if an intruder ever invades your home, how do you plan to protect your daughter? Go ahead, call the cops, by the time they show up you'll most likely be dead.
Whatever, you probably live in New York and been listening too much to Michael Bloomberg.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 13, 2007 11:55:23 AM
Hey, "Bobby,"
How you could possibly equate soccer with terrorists blowing up innocent people is remarkable. And it's not your foul mouth that runs counter to god, it's your smug, arrogant attitude.
Your views aren't "shared" by Rush Limbaugh, they're shaped by Rush Limbaugh. [And if he were in any way liberal, you'd be denouncing him as a ranting, raving, hopped up drug addict.]
But your derision doesn't make the world better for anyone.
Your majority rule notion is a good one. The majority of "real Americans" want Cheney and Bush out of there. That includes me, and I've been a Republican voter for 30 years.
Hey, this thread was about guns or advertising, wasn't it? Back to work.
Posted by: Johnny Birch | Jul 13, 2007 12:37:50 PM
good point JB. it's funny how the right-wing gun idiots flock to ad blogs with their one-note arguments crowing about their constitutional rights. meanwhile their right-wing president has raped the constitution. but as long as he leaves their precious second amendment alone they don't care. why? because they're simpletons fed on a diet of sanctimony and hysteria.
they are to be pitied really.
thankfully their day is passing and america is about to emerge from this dark age. unless of course President Cheney declares martial law and postpones the election. which is a distinct possiblity. that's how screwed up our once great nation has become.
Posted by: GROW UP! | Jul 13, 2007 1:08:31 PM
For the record, GROW UP!, I work in advertising. As for the president raping the constitution, fine, go ahead and lets bring all the Guantanamo terrorists right here. I'm sure you'd like that.
Frankly, I wish Dick Cheney was as bad as you say, I would love to see liberals like you in concentration camps. But alas, it's leftwingers like Hitler, Stalin, Castro and Pol Pot that usually do stuff like that. So no hope there. Evil Bush and evil Chenney will simply let you rant.
"it's your smug, arrogant attitude."
---The same attitude of Hillary Clinton and Michael Moore. But I guess they can get away with it because they're celebrities.
"The majority of "real Americans" want Cheney and Bush out of there."
---Perhaps, and that's because we haven't had another 9/11, so most Americans have forgotten and think all we need is some wimp president that kisses up the world's ass. Luckily, our president isn't a pussy like Al Gore. Our president doesn't give a flying fuck what the New York Times thinks of him. And he'll do what he can to protect America, even if it means protecting liberal scum as well. And if the American people do elect a democrat, I hope they enjoy their higher taxes, carbon taxes, new hate speech laws, the FCC banning "hate" radio, and all the crazy things liberals want to do. Yeah, let those Americans vote for another Jimmy Carter, let them enjoy double digit inflation and high unemployment. You think things are bad under Bush? You have no idea how much worse they could be. So quit listening to the liberal media, visit conservativenews.org and learn what's really going on.
"That includes me, and I've been a Republican voter for 30 years."
---Probably a New York Republican, which more likely makes you a RINO, in which case you were never really a republican. Republicans support the second amendment, war, lower taxes, free/hate speech and a bunch of other things you don't seem to give two shits about.
"Hey, this thread was about guns or advertising, wasn't it?"
---It was about the loony left attacking the NRA with crappy advertising.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 13, 2007 1:48:16 PM
you work in advertising bobby? i bet it's a top-class shop and you're having a stellar career.
yeah, the right-wing administration is doing a heckuva job. embarrassingly incompetent boobs who can't get anything right.you'd think the republicans would be results-oriented. but apparently not.
where's osama? not iraq.
thankfully it will be all over soon.
Posted by: GROW UP! | Jul 13, 2007 2:44:21 PM
Thanks, "Bobby,"
You prove my point.
Posted by: Johnny Birch | Jul 13, 2007 3:49:03 PM
"you work in advertising bobby? i bet it's a top-class shop and you're having a stellar career."
---Actually, it is a top-class shop, not a direct mail boiler room like some other places. As for my career, look at your own first. Apparently you have enough time to post here. Not too busy travelling to Cannes, are we?
I love it when creatives play the "I'm more creative than you" game. It's so pathetic. Sure, perhaps you can wow me with your portfolio, but what about all the shitty work you have done? What about all those awful retails? The bland radios? What about all that crap clients love to buy?
Creatives are so fake, they're lucky that when ads come out their names aren't revealed unless the work is so good that Adweek decides to cover them.
"where's osama? not iraq."
---If you're gonna play the blame game, perhaps you should blame Clinton. The army snipers had Osama in their sights, but that pussy ex-president failed to give them the order to shoot. Thanks to Billy, 3,000 americans had to pay for his mistake. And then he has the nerve to criticize Bush. Frankly, I hope the next woman that gives him a blow job has herpes. That will teach him not to fuck with America.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 13, 2007 7:05:51 PM
You're in my prayers, son.
Posted by: Moroni | Jul 13, 2007 7:22:17 PM
ha! you mention cannes. that's funny.
i actually won the cannes grand prix (and the journalists' prize!) a few years back. i'm a creative.
PS: if you ever get to cannes, not likely i know, be sure to stay at the Carlton Intercontinental and drink Ott rose wine. and make the effort to visit the old town of cannes if you get a chance. it's just a walk from the croissette. and is very charming.
you just made my day bobby! thanks.
Posted by: GROW UP! | Jul 13, 2007 10:38:30 PM
Great, GROW UP! I guess that makes you an expert on the second amendment, the NRA, politics, and everything else you can think of.
Just like Donny Deutsch with his own TV show where he gives idiotic opinions every night. But you don't bullshit me, buddy boy, we both know that in this business everyone simply pretends to know what they're doing. Everyone has a strategy, everyone has trends, opinions, everyone knows what the next big thing will be, everyone pays $500 to go to a stupid advertising seminar and listen to a bunch of big shots tell them why their work sucks. Oh, I've heard it all, "don't be controversial, don't be violent, don't be obscene," and then some european does a car commercial that kills a cat and a bird and everyone talks about how wonderful it is. You think I give a shit about advertising awards? They mean nothing but a bigger paycheck, more prestige, more respect, and more pressure to keep winning more awards before people start saying you're living from your former glory. Welcome to hell, my boy.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 15, 2007 8:49:28 PM
Bobby,
Again, I'd like to reiterate: if you think too many PSAs embrace liberal causes, why not do some conservative ones yourself?
As noted before, they do win in awards shows when they're good.
You obviously have time to write long, semi-coherent posts on blogs, so quit bitching and do something about it.
I'm sure your top-tier agency would support it.
Posted by: yikes | Jul 16, 2007 11:14:20 AM
Also, Bobby, being a big supporter of the glorious war in Iraq:
How about you put your money where your mouth is and enlist? I'm quite certain the Armed Forces could use you.
Posted by: yikes | Jul 16, 2007 1:29:09 PM
Why enlist in the army? I support abortion, does that mean I have to have an abortion or work at an abortion clinic? I support legalizing prostitution, does that mean I have to join a whorehouse? Give me a break. Plenty of people support many issues and causes and don't bother joining them. Jimmy Carter supports Habitat for Humanity, and other than those convenient photo-ops, I doubt he has ever built an entire house.
And by the way, I already support the military, I pay taxes!
Besides, the armed forces have plenty of volunteers who are proud to serve their country. One more is not going to make a difference.
As for me doing ads for conservative causes, let me remind you that it's creative directors and not copywriters who get to choose what pro-bono the agency does. Besides, most agencies don't want to do conservative work.
Posted by: Bobby | Jul 16, 2007 4:37:00 PM
Yup, that's kind of what I figured regarding the military.
Now, in this day of freelancers and the wonders of the internets and such, there's no reason an industrious and talented copywriter such as yourself couldn't do some killer pro-bono work and win shitloads of awards with it, creative director or not.
So in this, and in your chickenhawk stances, you're a pussy. Or at the very least, a blowhard without a backbone.
Posted by: yikes | Jul 16, 2007 5:10:03 PM
Posted by: Jason Smith | Jul 19, 2007 5:52:10 PM
As Eddie Izzard says:
"Guns don't kill people, people do. But so do monkeys, if they've got a gun."
Posted by: jason | Jul 19, 2007 5:55:41 PM
I see nothing wrong with this billboard its only telling Americans the truth about what guns do to people, tell why NRA does the truth hurt? I'm sure the 3 bright young kids that were killed execution style are happy to know that people kill people and not guns kill people that is just a marketing ploy made up but the NRA so that they can continue to sell their WMD's. With all the suing the people in the US do the should sue the NRA for every murder that is committed by guns maybe then it will put these murder SOB's out of Business. Gun kill people period 83 of them everyday thats over 30,000 people a year and the NRA still thinks people kill people the whole lot of them should be put in jail for conspiracy to commit murder. Americans are clueless when it comes to guns the 2 amendment was written during the time of the cowboy which is no longer the case. I am sure your fore fathers who change this a amendment if they were living in this day and age. When the 3nd amendment was written they were looking into the future to see how this would of changed drastically had they been able to see what the world would be like in the 21st century
Posted by: smallrage | Aug 10, 2007 1:41:55 AM
